A slap in the face of Christianity! (117 views) Subscribe   
  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     5/22/2003 2:15 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 24)  
 
  605.1  
 
HARD TO BELIEVE! 



REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of PanAm Flight 103! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the military barracks in Saudi Arabia! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the American Embassies in Africa! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM attack on the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001! 

REMEMBER all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those vicious MUSLIM attacks! 



Now the United States Postal Service is making available for sale, a commemorative first class holiday postage stamp to REMEMBER and HONOR the EID MUSLIM holiday season. 

We are forbidden prayer in schools, forbidden the pledge of allegiance in public, however a branch of our government is allowed to honor and glorify the holiday of the Muslim god.  The same god of those who are destroying the USA, murder by murder. 

REMEMBER when purchasing your stamps at the post office...  this Muslim stamp would be a slap in the face to all those AMERICANS who died at the hands of Muslims.  This stamp honors the god of those whom have murdered and will continue to murder our citizens and who have and will continue to put fear into our lives. 

The USP is forbidden to use the words "In God We Trust", yet a stamp honoring the god of those who are destroying the USA is acceptable. 

Pass this along to every AMERICAN you know, whether by e-mail or otherwise. ~Contributed by email to me ~Minister Falcon
 
  
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  From:  Di (nostars)    6/1/2003 3:39 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (2 of 24)  
 
  605.2 in reply to 605.1  
 
How it has to be I guess. Not all muslims are mad just a few idiots who want their holy war etc.. :) 




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  From:  NelleRebel   6/10/2003 8:53 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (3 of 24)  
 
  605.3 in reply to 605.1  
 
That is only one "Slap" most American Churches "slap" Jesus' face daily. . . . and we don't get angry about that, I wonder why? 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/10/2003 12:18 pm  
To:  NelleRebel   (4 of 24)  
 
  605.4 in reply to 605.3  
 
Hi NelleRebel!

Good question! 

 We do get angry, all of us do because when the slap comes, it usually is on our face.  It is called persecution.  And it stings!  

But as the scriptures tell us, He was persecuted first, so we should also expect persecution -- the slap in the face, daily.  

And beyond all the slaps, we are blessed!  

So slap me silly if ya want to, that just brings my blessings up higher and HIGHER!!! ~Minister 'slap happy 'Falcon



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  From:  NelleRebel   6/10/2003 12:44 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (5 of 24)  
 
  605.5 in reply to 605.4  
 
good persecution will help that! 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   6/12/2003 2:04 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (6 of 24)  
 
  605.6 in reply to 605.1  
 
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of PanAm Flight 103! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993! 

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon! [etc.]

I think your logic is:

     a.  Some people did some terrible things.

     b.  Those people claimed to be Moslems (or perhaps were Moslems).

     c.  Therefore, Islam is a bad religion.

You'll want to be careful about this line of reasoning.  Ever heard of the Crusades or the Inquisition?   Or the witch burnings?  Or Peter Popoff?



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/12/2003 2:15 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (7 of 24)  
 
  605.7 in reply to 605.6  
 
You should be careful about your line of reasoning.

 

The Christian Bible is not about Crusades those people who organized them might not have even been Christians.

 

Yet the Muslim Koran is all about Crusades, Murder, Lies, Deceit, and Slavery.

 

Ignorance is not Bliss!!

 

If you think that you are going to be happier and have this much freedom in a Muslim nation you are seriously in error.

 

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/12/2003 2:47 pm  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (8 of 24)  
 
  605.8 in reply to 605.6  
 
Hi Mark,

FYI:  I am not the author of this post, but I am the poster.

What I see in this post is a lot of pain by the author of this post and it is a reflection of what many over our nation have been feeling concerning all the events where loved ones, friends, and business associates were lost.  It is important that the pain be expressed.  I didn't read, here in this posting that we should reject the person of the Muslim faith nor destroy the person that is of that faith either.  

What I saw is a protest, a non-violent protest against several things.  One is the sect, the small militant sect of the Muslims that are extreme fundamentalist; another is that prayer is forbidden in schools, the pledge of allegiance is also forbidden, and yet our government is allowed to honor another god.  The idea is that if one God is not honored, then no god should be honored.  Now in the case of Martin Luther King Jr.  he represented Christianity, civil rights, and non-violent protest.  He was honored and rightly so.  As well as Elvis Presley, he was honored not for his songs, or his Christian beliefs, but that he contributed greatly to revolutionize music.  

I read that this author is saying that our nation is in danger for those who are bound and determined to destroy the USA through murder.  And in the recent events, they don't even care that they are murdering their own people if it destroys one American.  This author  is drawing attention to not support any promotion that would cause more distress and emotional wounding on a nation that is still stung by the attacks of terrorism. 

Yes, there have been the nativity scene and Jewish symbols on our stamps.  I know that is true.  But I think the timing of this Muslim stamp is probably not good.  The Muslim community needs to band together, here and abroad, to educate and promote peace between peoples.  Some good PR work I guess you could say should be done.  Let this nation heal, let this nation have a dialog between peoples to help each other understand the other.

This isn't about the religious belief systems so much as it is the pain that is still so obvious in our nation.  Now, I know that there are some religious folk that are very fundamentalist and tainted in their beliefs to an extreme.  They are considered legalists among most Christians, and we just tolerate them for sure.  But I don't believe all Christians have that tainted beliefs.  We pray for those that are so militant in their beliefs.  There isn't a sect around in any religion that doesn't have its militant group....with fundamentalist ideas, legalistic bondage, or tainted beliefs.  This Muslim extremists belong in this category and are not viewed with high esteem among the Muslims I know in this country and some that I know in Iran.

In Ecclesiastes 3:1-8, we find that everything there is a season, a time for every purpose under heaven.  It speaks about planting and plucking what is planted, a time to be born and to die; a time to kill and a time to heal.  In verse 8 its says there is even a time to love and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

Jesus made it clear to plant the seeds of salvation and watch for the fruits.  He showed us how to live and how to die to self.  He told us that there was a time to kill the flesh and a time to heal the soul.  He taught us to love the sinner, but hate the sin.  He taught us that there is a time that we need to war  in the spirit realm and remain in peace when we walk in the valley of the shadow of death.  Do we follow that premise?  I like to think that I do...but there are many that do not know how to do these things.  Yes, they fall short of the glory...so we as Christians must pray for one another, give mercy and grace to those that are not as committed to their religion as they should.  

God bless  ~Minister Falcon



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/12/2003 4:50 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (9 of 24)  
 
  605.9 in reply to 605.8  
 
Hi OmsFalcon,

 

This is Also a slap in the face to every American as those are American victims of Muslim acts of terrorism.

 

I had also gotten a similar email that continues on to call for a boycott of the stamp and asks people not to accept the stamp if given it at the post office and to complain to the postmaster for having such an insulting stamp imprinted at this time in our history right after 9/11/2001.

 

I dont think that we have seen the last of this issue and If the stamp does come out expect a lot of negative reaction to it.

 

And I do hope that the post office has the sense to pull the stamp and not to release it.

 

God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/12/2003 5:12 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 24)  
 
  605.10 in reply to 605.9  
 
AMEN!!! I agree!   
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   6/13/2003 9:47 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 24)  
 
  605.11 in reply to 605.7  
 
The Christian Bible is not about Crusades [sic] those people who organized them might not have even been Christians.

 

And the people who do the suicide bombings might not even be Moslems.   Understand?  One may claim to be something (Moslem, Christian, Hindu, etc.) and yet not be.


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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   6/13/2003 10:01 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (12 of 24)  
 
  605.12 in reply to 605.8  
 
What I see in this post is a lot of pain by the author of this post and it is a reflection of what many over our nation have been feeling concerning all the events where loved ones, friends, and business associates were lost.  It is important that the pain be expressed. 

Why is it important that pain be expressed?  Especially when that expression is in the form of hostility against a world religion?  I don't believe that the Bible ever says that pain should be expressed.

I didn't read, here in this posting that we should reject the person of the Muslim faith nor destroy the person that is of that faith either.

Well, that is what I did read between his lines.  How many times did he use the word MUSLiM?

What I saw is a protest, a non-violent protest against several things.

I agree that he does not specifically suggest that anyone be killed.  But the tone of his "protest" is extremely hostile.

... another is that prayer is forbidden in schools, the pledge of allegiance is also forbidden, and yet our government is allowed to honor another god.  The idea is that if one God is not honored, then no god should be honored. 

Here we are in agreement.

I'm not 100% sure that the post office puts someone on a stamp as an "honor" to him.  For instance, in the last six years, there have been first class postage stamps featuring (1) Daffy Duck, (2) Dracula, (3) the Wolfman, and (4) the Mummy.

Yes, there have been the nativity scene and Jewish symbols on our stamps.  I know that is true.  But I think the timing of this Muslim stamp is probably not good. 

I don't understand what the post office is doing honoring (or appearing to endorse) ANY religion.  It doesn't make any sense, and it violates the Constitution.

Let this nation heal, let this nation have a dialog between peoples to help each other understand the other.

Post #1, the one that started this thread, does nothing to promote dialogue or to help people understand each other.  It is simply a temper tantrum, someone letting off steam. 

There isn't a sect around in any religion that doesn't have its militant group....with fundamentalist ideas, legalistic bondage, or tainted beliefs.  This Muslim extremists belong in this category and are not viewed with high esteem among the Muslims I know in this country and some that I know in Iran.

Exactly.  And that goes to the heart of what is wrong with calling something a "MUSLIM bombing."


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/13/2003 10:14 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (13 of 24)  
 
  605.13 in reply to 605.12  
 
Duh! Mark,

 

The Koran instructs and Commands Muslims to Kill.

 

The Bible commands people to Love.

 

God Bless you,
David

 



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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/13/2003 10:58 am  
To:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   (14 of 24)  
 
  605.14 in reply to 605.12  
 
Mark,

If pain is not expressed it turns to depression which is caused by anxiety of the heart.  Have you not read JOB?  Did not JOB reveal his pain to his God and to his friends?  You need to reevaluate this clearly.  There are literally hundreds of scriptures in the bible telling us to reveal our pain to our God and to each other.  

This not expressing your pain openly is for the people who are anal retentive.  The Jews are VERY expressive of their pain.  The eastern peoples, Muslims included are also VERY expressive of their pain.  Why can't Americans express there pain openly?  How can you have compassion upon the American people if they don't open their hearts and express there pain?  They have a right, a first amendment right to do so.  It is such a personal thing to express one's pain, and to share it openly for the open wound is appropriate, not inappropriate.

And because you read admittedly read between the lines, you have assumed the author's heart, when clearly the Lord says that NO MAN knows the heart of a man except HIM.  1 Kings 8:39 then hear in heaven Your dwelling place, and forgive, and act, and give to everyone according to all his ways, whose heart You know (for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men),

Hebrews 4:12  For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. If you want to know the heart of the man, you get understanding [Proverbs 4:7], you get wisdom [Proverbs 4:5], and you get knowledge [Proverbs 1:7 & 2:6] which gives you the mind of Christ.  When you operate with the mind of Christ you will come to the compassionate understanding of this poster.  

And in Proverbs 21:2  Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the LORD weighs the hearts. You may feel right, but the Lord has weighed the heart of this author.  It is HE who inspired this writing and continues this writing throughout the forums.  No man can stop it, but one can criticize it only to reveal the true nature of their own heart as you have did here on this post.

It would do you well to study the three Spirits of God, Understanding, Wisdom, and Knowledge as found in Proverbs.  It will serve you well. ~Minister Falcon

 

 
 
  
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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   6/13/2003 4:21 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (15 of 24)  
 
  605.15 in reply to 605.13  
 
The Koran instructs and Commands Muslims to Kill.

 

Where?  I'm sitting here with my copy of the Koran.

 

By the way, the Bible tells YOU to kill witches (Ex. 22:18).   So what?  Is every religion that orders people to kill therefore evil?

 

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  From:  Mark D. Dunn (Mark_D_Dunn)   6/13/2003 4:33 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (16 of 24)  
 
  605.16 in reply to 605.14  
 
There are literally hundreds of scriptures in the bible telling us to reveal our pain to our God and to each other.  

This is not true.  There are not "hundreds" of such scriptures.

I'll settle for 75.   Shoot me an email.

This not expressing your pain openly is for the people who are anal retentive. 

Nonsense.  Most people handle their "pain" privately, and do just fine.

By the way, your statement is utterly stupid.  How long have you been a psychologist?

And because you read admittedly read between the lines, you have assumed the author's heart,

Nope.  I just drew conclusions based on what I saw.  Nothing magical about it at all.  No need for you to go off on some tangent about "assuming somebody's heart."

You may feel right, but the Lord has weighed the heart of this author.  It is HE who inspired this writing and continues this writing throughout the forums.

Now just how do you know who inspired anything?  How pompous you are.  You agree with this person, so that means that he was "inspired by God?" 

No man can stop it, but one can criticize it only to reveal the true nature of their own heart as you have did [sic] here on this post.

Wait!  Wait!   Hold it!  First you tell me that I can't look into somebody else's heart.   Now you're telling me that you know the "nature" of my heart?   Sir ... get over yourself.


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  From:  NEWSAINT1   6/16/2003 9:21 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (17 of 24)  
 
  605.17 in reply to 605.1  
 
Remember the Christian Crusades. 
Remember "Christians" coming to the new world raping and pillaging the civilizations that existed here only to later give them blankets infested with diseases. 

Remember that there are some good "christians" and some bad "christians" and the same goes for muslims. 

-Stephen
 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/16/2003 9:48 am  
To:  NEWSAINT1   (18 of 24)  
 
  605.18 in reply to 605.17  
 
Isn't that what I am saying when I talk about Military sects of ANY religion? ~Minister Falcon 
  
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  From:  NEWSAINT1   6/16/2003 11:16 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (19 of 24)  
 
  605.19 in reply to 605.18  
 
Isn't that what I am saying when I talk about Military sects of ANY religion? ~Minister Falcon 
I certainly hope so. I am just saying that it is not too fair to paint any religion with a broadstroked brush. I wouldn't want to be associated with the crusades or conquistadors any more that some muslims would want to be associated with terrorists. 

-Stephen
 
  
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   From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/16/2003 8:22 pm  
To:  NEWSAINT1   (20 of 24)  
 
  605.20 in reply to 605.19  
 
If you read number 605.8 message you will see that we agree. God bless ~Minister Falcon  
  
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From:  NEWSAINT1   6/16/2003 8:36 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (21 of 24)  
 
  605.21 in reply to 605.20  
 
Thank you very much sir. I appreciate your posts. I am sorry I jumped on you. I guess I just got all wound up today, due to some inconsiderat folks (not you). I also didn't notice that last line in the first post of the thread. I do apologize. I hope you have a pleasant evening and sweet dreams. 
Yours in Christ, 

-Stephen 



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  From:  NEWSAINT1   6/16/2003 8:54 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (22 of 24)  
 
  605.22 in reply to 605.20  
 
In fact, the inconsiderate folks was actually just one dude who brought me here in a way. The forum host here David A. Brown is the dude. He didn't really feel like debating on the LDS forum so I decided to talk to him here. We are currently having a discussion under the "Your Forum Host" thread, and I have started some very, very interesting threads under the theology folder. 
The better we understand eachother, the more we learn to love eachother. Take care. 

-Stephen
 
  
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  From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     6/16/2003 10:26 pm  
To:  NEWSAINT1   (23 of 24)  
 
  605.23 in reply to 605.22  
 
Debate is not good, but discussion is welcomed.  

Make peace with God before you speak on this forum, for you don't want to come off to the other Christian readers as being in the flesh even if you don't agree or feel attacked.  I know that is not the intention of David to have you feel anything negative.  And I also know that is not your intention either.

We need to walk in love not in feelings.  The devil works overtime in the lives of the Christian to keep them off balanced like a horse that it bitten by the viper, it throws the horse off balance and the rider falls off.  So too is wrath, anger, and offense.  These are all fleshy attitudes.  A good book to read is The Bait of Satan.  I learned a lot about how satan works to get Christians to fall off the horse by offense.

God's blessings ~Minister Falcon

 
 
  
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   From:  NEWSAINT1   6/16/2003 10:55 pm  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (24 of 24)  
 
  605.24 in reply to 605.23  
 
David could use your advise. He clearly was not acting in the kind of love you describe. Simply read all of the posts in the "Your Forum Host" thread and you will see. For an even better view go to 
http://forums.about.com/ab-lds/messages?msg=2637.320 

but back to post 243 or so (click the advanced view to see 10 posts at a time. It is quicker.) You will see that David was niether being honest nor charitable. 

-Stephen
 
  
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